Another cam swap with slower et results

[dline]

First "hemidad", now another with spartan cam 3.55 gears and 5700 pounds, great cam decision there. Poor rookie to modding that was convinced to use a spartan, he shouldve went with a comp 260 or krc 210

Of course the spartan beats the 268 in every category with no results.

[Hemi31]

First "hemidad", now another with spartan cam 3.55 gears and 5700 pounds, great cam decision there. Poor rookie to modding that was convinced to use a spartan, he shouldve went with a comp 260 or krc 210

Of course the spartan beats the 268 in every category with no results.Sounds like it's overcammed to me.Been seeing this on the LX's alot.Guys with basically stock 5.7's get talked into a Spartan or the equivelent and are then miserable when the car runs like crap.
That cam is decent with the supporting mods(mods being heads,intake,exhaust,converter,and slew of other stuff).The smaller duration cams have much better low end torque.

[Hemi31]

Did a Sidewinder in a standard cab a while back and that one had some good power.Only problem at the time was Diablo wasn't out yet so the idle couldn't be raised at all.
I bet the 5.7 car intake would be sick on a nice set of ported heads with a 268 style cam.Little more flow up top than the truck intake with a nice good bottom end torque curve.

[Hemi31]

That 5300 rpm wall sucks for sure.But,and this is only my opinion.....If you have a good pull up to 6k rpm with a boatload of torque right to 5300 rpm I bet it picks up ET....maybe not MPH but who cares if you get there first?

Yeah,Chris still has the C...his wife races it now.

[Blackturbotruck]

carrols ram was sold a spartan with a high lsa STU recommended that he use this cam and he has a freaking 4 door 4x4, I have recieved several PMs latly about the KRC cams and have sold 2 KRC 210s in the past 2 weeks carrols ram was going to be a third BUT he has another idea!! I feel bad for the guy with the Big heavy all wheel drive jeep who was suckered into a spartan/ head combo i think hes at 6000 lbs after he felt the KRC cam was "too expensive" you get what you pay for In my opinion!! BUT to each his own have fun with those expensive cam swaps I think one customer told me he paid a guy 750 bucks to swap cams and the performance is sooooo shitty he wished he would have went back stock that is untill he installed his new cam!!

[Carrolls Ram]

carrols ram was sold a spartan with a high lsa STU recommended that he use this cam and he has a freaking 4 door 4x4, I have recieved several PMs latly about the KRC cams and have sold 2 KRC 210s in the past 2 weeks carrols ram was going to be a third BUT he has another idea!! I feel bad for the guy with the Big heavy all wheel drive jeep who was suckered into a spartan/ head combo i think hes at 6000 lbs after he felt the KRC cam was "too expensive" you get what you pay for In my opinion!! BUT to each his own have fun with those expensive cam swaps I think one customer told me he paid a guy 750 bucks to swap cams and the performance is sooooo shitty he wished he would have went back stock that is untill he installed his new cam!!

Yeah after seeing what stephens truck did with the KRC cam I was gonna get that cause I see no other QC 4x4s running good times with a spartan. Actually nobody has a spartan in a QC 4x4 except rubber frog.. So I sold my spartan to a guy on the LX forums for 400 and I paid 410 for it (not bad) lol. Once Ive got some more money to talk with im gonna see what KRC would charge to do a turbo setup like stephens :Tup: Id do sts but i dont wanna lose my cutout and muffler.

[Carrolls Ram]

Front mount turbo $$$$$$$.

They use to have a price on the kit up on their website. Looks like they took it down. Somewhere around $10k rings a bell.

Damn i knew expensive but thats definitely pricy lol. Who was that company up in Ohio or something that was looking for rams to test fit for front mount setups? I remember jerry or Denny talking about them

[Hemi31]

carrols ram was sold a spartan with a high lsa STU recommended that he use this cam and he has a freaking 4 door 4x4, I have recieved several PMs latly about the KRC cams and have sold 2 KRC 210s in the past 2 weeks carrols ram was going to be a third BUT he has another idea!! I feel bad for the guy with the Big heavy all wheel drive jeep who was suckered into a spartan/ head combo i think hes at 6000 lbs after he felt the KRC cam was "too expensive" you get what you pay for In my opinion!! BUT to each his own have fun with those expensive cam swaps I think one customer told me he paid a guy 750 bucks to swap cams and the performance is sooooo shitty he wished he would have went back stock that is untill he installed his new cam!!LSA isn't the issue.A nice wide LSA can create good cylinder pressures to help low end torque.What you don't want is a ton of overlap causing to much pressure bleed on a 9.6:1 motor.Then you lose your bottom end.Generally if you see your cranking compression in the 190-215psi range you will have a pretty good bottom end pull.

[Hemi31]

hmmmmm.....wonder what a Tomahawk would do in a truck?It has a crazy bottom end on a 6.1....reverse split cam....218/212 547/557 113

[hemifever]

Front mount turbo $$$$$$$.

They use to have a price on the kit up on their website. Looks like they took it down. Somewhere around $10k rings a bell.


At one point that 10k was fully installed and tuned. Turn key solution. Least at one point

[Blackturbotruck]

Its not on the site any more and all the build and videos of that truck are gone too:confused:

Dont worry i have some videos for ya!!

[hemifever]

wide lsa and 5000+ pound trucks is an oxymoron IMO. Whatever cam could be run with a PSC and Superchips in an '03 can run with a Diablo. I've not done any cam tuning in an '03 so I can't offer personal experience but Marty did call me and say that he got a 210x with 110 lsa running fine in an '03. And said anything more aggressive wouldn't work. He laughed and said that was as big as its getting.

[sawcut64]

Anyone that throws any cam in is without supporting mods is kidding themselves. Was that the best cam for his present mods? Probably not, but after a few supporting mods and fine tune the tune it'll probably ROCK! Hell I wouldn't stick a 6.1 cam in without at least a set of headers with free flowing y-pipe and exhaust. Also if I had this guys truck I would have done gears and converter to start...wait a minute, my first mod WAS to swap out the 3.55's and go with 4.56 gears. Why the fuck would the factory even put gears like that in a truck like his......

[dayton hemi]

Anyone that throws any cam in is without supporting mods is kidding themselves. Was that the best cam for his present mods? Probably not, but after a few supporting mods and fine tune the tune it'll probably ROCK! Hell I wouldn't stick a 6.1 cam in without at least a set of headers with free flowing y-pipe and exhaust. Also if I had this guys truck I would have done gears and converter to start...wait a minute, my first mod WAS to swap out the 3.55's and go with 4.56 gears. Why the fuck would the factory even put gears like that in a truck like his......

you have all the supporting mods, and a lighter truck, along with slicks right? so why are you sticking with the 268???

[sawcut64]

you have all the supporting mods, and a lighter truck, along with slicks right? so why are you sticking with the 268???

It works for now for my present mods, later after the heads intake upgrade I'll try something different.

[hemi1569]

Some people don't know the difference sam, i agree with what you say about the supporting mods, i threw my 6.1 in at the same time as my headers, but the guy got a cam that is IMHO wrong for what he wanted. I can see if the guy went into it knowing that he would have to drop 2k+ on gears and a converter...

[dayton hemi]

It works for now for my present mods, later after the heads intake upgrade I'll try something different.

why not throw in the best thing since sliced bread and really kick ass for a half track

[Carrolls Ram]

Dont worry i have some videos for ya!!

Wheres a full throttle run lol. Ive only seen the weak 2 min video of u at 6 psi and the 3psi one :)

[hemi1569]

Link??? to the 3 and 6 psi vids?

[Carrolls Ram]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=59775971

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=59652208

[dline]

most cams with or w/o supporting mods won't make you go slower

[sawcut64]

most cams with or w/o supporting mods won't make you go slower

Did he go slower?

[sawcut64]

why not throw in the best thing since sliced bread and really kick ass for a half track

Half a track is all I would need in your case! :finger2:

[JohnnyHemi]

yeah how can you just blame the Cam its just because its stamped with inertia, means its fucking stupid and a fucking retard decision. Its a crower ground cam by the way very great company, but I hear alot of fucking hippocrisy everyone always cried about people saying that if it werent inertia then it is junk ive been hearing alot of the other way around as well. CAM OF THE WEEK. you know how many fucktards have comp 268s and 260s that still run 15s lol i know at least half a dozen. Especially in QCs. Some guy sent me a question about his QC last week with a 268 and he ran a 15.3 pre cam and with a 268 and superchips he is running high 15s and he asked me why??? seriously. It comes down to what you plan on weighing and how much money you want to invest and getting a fucking tune. Big QCs with stock weight are going to get NO WHERE with anything that doesnt have around 210 specs with a tight LSA and 108 ICL and an aftermarket stall. Just wont happen period i dont give a shit what brand it is.

Mines an 04 and i have ZERO driveability problems, maybe its the tune maybe not. im the one that ran a month on a DSP canned tune and it still drove just fine and all my driving is City, Never stalls, get shitty city mileage but highways is still a decent 17mpg at 80. Dont believe me ill loan my truck out to whoever wants to borrow it lol

[hemi1569]

It's not necessarily the cam, it is the person selling the cam not informing the customer of what he needs to do to the vehicle in order for it to perform to expectations. Sounds to me like the guy did not think he was going to need gears and a t/q

[JohnnyHemi]

that cant be justified either. the "guy" selling the cam come on now i know you are talking about stu... Im not dumb. Im not trying to hang off stu's nutsack like alot do. But in all honesty he layed it on the table for me. I told him that i want a 218 cam and he said fine but you will NEED a tune either SCT or DSP, he left the choice to me. If i go Diablo there are more options and tweaks i can do on my own when necessary and he recommended if i just want everything done then Sean would be the #1 go to guy with SCT no questions asked. If i could still log into my old old DT account i would post the conversations. Told me the usual that i need a stall and heads for best benefits. DUH! But someone of another company which i will keep disclosed said that the best bet for me is a wide LSA with no advance. Which i kinda figured was stupid! I said no and i needed a tight lsa with some advance, and was then "advised" by stu that that would be the best decision down the road and to get big valve heads which i badly want. But i think im gonna get some PPP big valve heads instead of inertia heads. That is turning out to be a little rough due to economy. To go from making 70+ hours a week to 35-40 is rough.

[sawcut64]

It's not necessarily the cam, it is the person selling the cam not informing the customer of what he needs to do to the vehicle in order for it to perform to expectations. Sounds to me like the guy did not think he was going to need gears and a t/q

It could be a tooth off. I personally have never seen one that didn't throw a code when it was off a tooth, but there are cases where it didn't and they were retarded a tooth, which sounds like it may be his problem. Don't really know, don't really care. I've been installing stuff on our trucks for a few years and without careful attention during install things can and will get fucked up quickly. Not saying that's his problem, but it sure sounds like it could be?

[Hemi31]

It could be a tooth off. I personally have never seen one that didn't throw a code when it was off a tooth, but there are cases where it didn't and they were retarded a tooth, which sounds like it may be his problem. Don't really know, don't really care. I've been installing stuff on our trucks for a few years and without careful attention during install things can and will get fucked up quickly. Not saying that's his problem, but it sure sounds like it could be?
Again...I am not as familiar with the trucks,but on the cars if the cam is retarded a tooth it won't throw a code.Only when it's advanced does it tell you with a CEL....but when it's retarded it usually won't idle at all.

[hemi1569]

All he has to do is go to the dealer and check the cam/crank sync... It gives it in degrees.A good reading is usually less than half a degree

[sawcut64]

All he has to do is go to the dealer and check the cam/crank sync... It gives it in degrees.A good reading is usually less than half a degree

Well there ya go, that will rule out the cam install.

[steelhorse5778]

yeah how can you just blame the Cam its just because its stamped with inertia, means its fucking stupid and a fucking retard decision. Its a crower ground cam by the way very great company, but I hear alot of fucking hippocrisy everyone always cried about people saying that if it werent inertia then it is junk ive been hearing alot of the other way around as well. CAM OF THE WEEK. you know how many fucktards have comp 268s and 260s that still run 15s lol i know at least half a dozen. Especially in QCs. Some guy sent me a question about his QC last week with a 268 and he ran a 15.3 pre cam and with a 268 and superchips he is running high 15s and he asked me why??? seriously. It comes down to what you plan on weighing and how much money you want to invest and getting a fucking tune. Big QCs with stock weight are going to get NO WHERE with anything that doesnt have around 210 specs with a tight LSA and 108 ICL and an aftermarket stall. Just wont happen period i dont give a shit what brand it is.

Mines an 04 and i have ZERO driveability problems, maybe its the tune maybe not. im the one that ran a month on a DSP canned tune and it still drove just fine and all my driving is City, Never stalls, get shitty city mileage but highways is still a decent 17mpg at 80. Dont believe me ill loan my truck out to whoever wants to borrow it lol

i'm going to have to disagree with you on this my truck ran a 13.28 with stock converter and gears. hell i still have stock gears and changed to a 4.7 converter along with a 200 wieght reduction and ran a 13.13.

[JohnnyHemi]

did your truck weight 5500 pounds 200 minus only? i disagree with that, im sorry but stock weight cam only is not going to get a QC into low 13s. If it did there would be ton of them running 12s already.....

[hemifever]

I think I've seen 2 or 3 stock cam/head RCSB hemi's run a 13.0 to 13.1's but that's about it. Ricky has stock heads with a FRI cam and popped a 13.28 with a 5100# QC. But yes, there is always the odd ball freak trucks that break the normal rules lol

What happened with Gary's Hemi? He had a cam and I heard he went back to stock cuz his perf cam ran slower? Is that true cuz I've not seen him post anything.

[hemi1569]

People just don't like to bash stu

[hemifever]

People just don't like to bash stu

That is true. And there is no reason to. We all try combinations that fail and we change things to go faster. That's how we learn. But what I don't understand is some of the folks that are PRO "their cam choice" on the forums are in PM's looking for different cams. That is deceiving when the newbie comes up and buys a 114 lsa 214 duration cam from strong recommendations of the fast folks that ends up wanting to pull it out.

Folks PM me for tuning and say they are looking for a cam and get countless PM's saying to run a Stu cam and how the other cams are this, that, etc. It's hard for folks to make their own educated decision. I'd probably listen to a person running 13.20's too if I was cam searching and got PM's from them.

I guess folks start off wanting a small jump in performance and get a mild cam or cam that requires little tuning and expect too big of a difference. Any cam that doesn't require tuning isn't going to produce much different result than stock.

[JohnnyHemi]

thats another thing i dont agree with, is running stock tune with any different cam other than stock or 6.1 and expect huge gains. I ran a 6.1 cam before and did not see a huge gain even with superjunk

[Hemi31]

thats another thing i dont agree with, is running stock tune with any different cam other than stock or 6.1 and expect huge gains. I ran a 6.1 cam before and did not see a huge gain even with superjunkI agree with that....once the cam is changed the stock timing and fuel maps at WOT are fixed to be efficient for the stock cams lifts and durations.And to add to it the fuel and timing curve on the stock tune can be dangerous to the motor with an aftermarket cam.

[06RamHemi]

That is true. And there is no reason to. We all try combinations that fail and we change things to go faster. That's how we learn. But what I don't understand is some of the folks that are PRO "their cam choice" on the forums are in PM's looking for different cams. That is deceiving when the newbie comes up and buys a 114 lsa 214 duration cam from strong recommendations of the fast folks that ends up wanting to pull it out.

Folks PM me for tuning and say they are looking for a cam and get countless PM's saying to run a Stu cam and how the other cams are this, that, etc. It's hard for folks to make their own educated decision. I'd probably listen to a person running 13.20's too if I was cam searching and got PM's from them.

I guess folks start off wanting a small jump in performance and get a mild cam or cam that requires little tuning and expect too big of a difference. Any cam that doesn't require tuning isn't going to produce much different result than stock.

i gave up on giving cam advise a long time ago. noone listens then they run slow and are still in love with their choice.
well Mikey listened and look where he's at. with at least a 3200 stall he could run a 12 today in the heat at his race weight.

[sawcut64]

i gave up on giving cam advise a long time ago. noone listens then they run slow and are still in love with their choice.
well Mikey listened and look where he's at. with at least a 3200 stall he could run a 12 today in the heat at his race weight.

Mickey will runs 12's with a new mod we've got cooked up in the heat!! :Tup:

[dayton hemi]

Mickey will runs 12's with a new mod we've got cooked up in the heat!! :Tup:

nitrous doesnt care how hot it is does it?:finger2:

[sawcut64]

nitrous doesnt care how hot it is does it?:finger2:

No nitrous, just pure HP baby!!!!!!

[JohnnyHemi]

PPP big valve heads?

[dline]

Hemidad get his cam issues resolved?

[dr.ruff84]

I haven't seen him on dt lately, i wonder that also.

[FAhemiST]

i think he got out of the truck thing, he sold me his diablo, unless he went sct?

[Darell]

Damn i knew expensive but thats definitely pricy lol. Who was that company up in Ohio or something that was looking for rams to test fit for front mount setups? I remember jerry or Denny talking about them

That is Tim at http://www.northcoastturbosystems.com/. He makes some very good looking turbo kits.

[B===D]

If you just want a semi quick truck? Then the 260 or Sidewinder is for you, along with some supporting mods. LTs a good programmer at least.

When I went with the notion of running 12's in a QCSB I went as far as I wanted to go with a stock 5.7 bottom end.

I also knew if I got the Spartan cam I wanted a 113 LSA and a 111 ICL, With the TC set up the way I wanted, Having the tq multiplier just where I wanted, keeps me from losing to much top end. People have to understand it takes time to get different set ups to respond and ya it takes money to. It's almost never a slam dunk a tweak here and a tweak there and it will happen. Like I said before the forums can either make you or break you if your selling parts on them.

As far as me and Stu? Were friends, he treats me good and I return the same. Am I loyal? Ya! But I'm loyal to all who I call friends. Even Viper1/Mike I took a lot of grief for that guy and I'd do it again.

[otter1363]

I saw some one feeling good about his Comp 268 with ported/polished/milled big valve heads and 100 shot running 13.9 in a RC. Names dont mean anything -

[hemi1569]

That is dead slow. I ran a 14.3 with mid length headers, superchips and a 6.1 cam in a rc 4x4, stock heads, tq, 3.92 gears. And no i don't want a prize.

[LETHAL HEMI]

I saw some one feeling good about his Comp 268 with ported/polished/milled big valve heads and 100 shot running 13.9 in a RC. Names dont mean anything -

i ran 11.8 with the comp 268 and inertia ported stock valve heads and a 100 shot

[coley 1334]

i ran 11.8 with the comp 268 and inertia ported stock valve heads and a 100 shot

hell i hope i can get a mid 12 with my future mods heads, 268, headers, 100 shot

[otter1363]

So does that mean the Comp 268 is no good, I dont think so. Sure hope mine runs better than a 13.9...

[B===D]

The other thing is? There are a lot of bunk cams from every cam grinder out there. Your engine will run and run fine chances are it will be bunk and you'll be slow. So far I have had four 6.1 cams checked and reground they were all good cams and all exactly the same when measured stock and they were all billet. I have also had 3, 5.7 cam measured and checked out of those three 5.7 cams we found that only one of them was a billet core, one was cast and the other actually was a billet stick with cast lobes welded on it and to top it off all three 5.7 cams measured the specs were all different.

[Spedly]

So does that mean the Comp 268 is no good, I dont think so. Sure hope mine runs better than a 13.9...

Checkout the fastest 1/4 mile time list the majority of 12sec trucks run the comp 268.

[Spedly]

The other thing is? There are a lot of bunk cams from every cam grinder out there. Your engine will run and run fine chances are it will be bunk and you'll be slow. So far I have had four 6.1 cams checked and reground they were all good cams and all exactly the same when measured stock and they were all billet. I have also had 3, 5.7 cam measured and checked out of those three 5.7 cams we found that only one of them was a billet core, one was cast and the other actually was a billet stick with cast lobes welded on it and to top it off all three 5.7 cams measured the specs were all different.

I've got a handful of 5.7 cams and they are all a cast with pressed on lobes. I've never measured them to see what they measure as I don't really care since they will never go back into any motor.

[Hemi345]

The other thing is? There are a lot of bunk cams from every cam grinder out there. Your engine will run and run fine chances are it will be bunk and you'll be slow. So far I have had four 6.1 cams checked and reground they were all good cams and all exactly the same when measured stock and they were all billet. I have also had 3, 5.7 cam measured and checked out of those three 5.7 cams we found that only one of them was a billet core, one was cast and the other actually was a billet stick with cast lobes welded on it and to top it off all three 5.7 cams measured the specs were all different.

I have 2 5.7 cams laying around one looks to be made out of cast which i removed from my truck, the other looks to be like a piece made unit welded together like you said that I removed from a friends charger.

[dline]

Why is 03ramits truck 1.3 sec slower with the same mods as all the cali guys on motor, they all have the same mods

i wouldnt be very happy if i was him, no matter what weather he gets...

[06RamHemi]

Why is 03ramits truck 1.3 sec slower with the same mods as all the cali guys on motor, they all have the same mods

i wouldnt be very happy if i was him, no matter what weather he gets...

guess its another one of those bunk cams. i can think of 3 or 4 trucks running slower than they should with cams from the same grinder..

[hemi1569]

Does a comp 273 cam have less low end than a 6.1 cam in a truck with 3.92 gears, no converter, mid headers... cai, underdrive pulley, exhaust... I ask because i know it has more duration that would make it a ritorical question but i have heard it is installed on a 117icl and the 6.1 is installed on a 121 icl?

[Hemidup]

Does a comp 273 cam have less low end than a 6.1 cam in a truck with 3.92 gears, no converter, mid headers... cai, underdrive pulley, exhaust... I ask because i know it has more duration that would make it a ritorical question but i have heard it is installed on a 117icl and the 6.1 is installed on a 121 icl?

The 6.1 cams that we installed went in between 119-119 1/2 icl.

[hemi1569]

So would it be similar on the low end?
I use similar loosely.... Basically is their going to be a HUGE difference off the line?

[jmgak47]

Very interesting read...